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The Ravenels #4: Hello Stranger

Dude, the covers of this series just get worse and worse. I think I knew a couple of girls who went to prom in that dress. Also, the model is pretty, but she just…lacks the “chill lady doctor who casually threatens to castrate men” vibe, you know?

Anyway, so here we are on book 4/6 of the Ravenels series. If you can stretch your memory all the way back to 2015, you’ll recall that this was supposed to be a 4 book series, but whatever. If you’ve forgotten the last book (and I wish I could!): After 200 pages of Pandora and Gabriel acting weird and boring me to death, a bomb plot showed up in the last five chapters. Intrigue is afoot! You’d think they wouldn’t have given the “bombs and assassination” book a hot pink cover, but who am I to question the mysterious ways of Avon Books.

This book is pretty clearly not one of the original planned 4. I mean, besides the fact that the original 4 protagonists were clearly Devon, Helen, Pandora, and Cassandra and/or West (possibly together! I WANT TO BELIEVE). In book #3, literally everyone who runs into Ransom (our hero) immediately marvels over how his eyes are THE EXACT SHADE of Ravenel Blue, and they’re all like, “Dude, I bet you’re totally related to them.” And yet, when Ransom was first introduced in book #2, Helen — supposedly one of his relatives — doesn’t notice his eyes at all. So I’m thinking he wasn’t meant to be a Ravenel initially, but whatever, he is now.

London, 1876. Garrett Gibson is walking along the streets of the bad part of town, where she goes to give her medical services to the poor people of London. She’s the first and only lady doctor in all of England — she had to get her medical degree in France, because an English school wouldn’t accept her — and has spent the past couple of books running around with the Ravenels and fixing their problems for them.

The action shows up quickly: a bunch of dudes start harassing her, and soon it escalates into rape threats. Garrett breaks my heart by telling them that they should just go to a brothel — period-accurate, sure, but she is the forward-thinking, gender-role-breaking lady doctor of my heart, and it hurts me that she’s all, “Don’t rape me, pay to rape some other poor woman!” Actually, it seems like Lisa Kleypas is determined to make me regret complimenting her for the evolving feminist viewpoints in her recent books. There’s a casual, uncritical reference to prostitution like every ten pages in this book. SIGH.

(Here, here, here, here, here, and finally here, are some sources about prostitution as a manifestation of misogyny and violence against women. I don’t really want to interrupt my jokey review with Serious Business, but an alarming amount of people really think it’s a job like any other, and I want to drop my sources here to explain why I’m repulsed by how casually historical romance treats the issue.)

Anyway, Garrett thinks she’s managed to take them all down with her cane because she’s a badass, but then a guy steps from the shadows and he’s all, “Well, actually, you had some help.” M’lady. Garrett recognizes him, and notes that she’s had a feeling someone’s been following her for weeks: it was him, wasn’t it?

Ethan Ransom’s like, “Yup, I love stalking women!” You’ll recall he was first introduced following Helen around because Rhys asked him to. He tells Garrett that those guys would’ve taken her down if he hadn’t been there, and she’s all, “Excuse you, I have a black belt in fencing!” Is that how it works? Ethan gets all up in her space and shows her how easily he can disarm her, and naturally she’s less about the fighting lesson and more, “OMG, I am standing close to a boy!!!” In the interest of gender equality, Ethan is also all like, “OMG, I am standing close to a girl!!!”

Garrett wants to know what, exactly, Ethan does that makes him so good at beating up rapists, and Ethan’s like, “Well, I’m definitely not a spy.” Subtle! Then he blows a whistle to summon the constables; while he confers with one, Garrett asks another for deets on Ethan’s mysterious past. The constable tells her that Ethan is from Clerkenwell (shady neighborhood full of suspicious Irish people, you’ll recall from the previous book), and he got promoted to the top of the police force within like two minutes of joining. Some dude named Jasper Jenkyn, who’s a big deal in the Home Office, recruited Ethan away from the police, and the little people on the force don’t know much about what happened after that. Mysterious!

Ethan walks Garrett home, and she needles him that he wouldn’t do the same for a man — I would rather you consider me as a physician, not a lady.” Ethan’s like, “Why not both?” Garrett notes that he has a trace of an Irish accent, though he tries to hide it, and he explains that he’s Irish, but hides his accent to avoid discrimination. He starts hitting on her, and she’s all swoony over a man with an accent, but quickly corrects herself that there is NO WAY he could be into her. She’s never been courted, because men are afraid of her and her medical degree. She’s all like, “He’s only following me around and holding me in dark alleys and being concerned for my safety PLATONICALLY.” You keep telling yourself that, girl. Ethan continues to be worried that Garrett can’t effectively defend herself, and offers to teach her some moves. (If you know what he means.) Garrett accepts, and they plan to meet the next day. Before he leaves her at her door, he gives her his police whistle as a combo rape whistle/emotional keepsake. Handy!

Ethan ruminates on the first time he saw Garrett. She was beating up a bunch of catcallers in book #2, and he was all, “I like a woman that can break my legs!” Sweetly, he thinks she’s pretty, and describes her mouth as A mouth with such pretty curves that it did something to Ethan’s knees every time he saw it. I like that Ethan is softer and more romantic than the other heroes in this series — he’s still very much in the Kleypas vein of tough, physically powerful men, but he’s less crude, and is just as swoony over Garrett as she is over him. They’re really adorable together.

Anyway, so he goes to see Winterborne, who’s arranged a meeting with West Ravenel. Weirdly, the first couple of books in this series established that Devon and West were first cousins with the Ravenel heir; it’s been retconned now to “distant cousins.” Lisa Kleypas, you’re gonna tell me that you changed West and Cassandra to distant cousins and still didn’t put them together? I’m taking this as an attack on me personally. West tells Ethan that he’s inherited a property in Norfolk from Edmund Ravenel, because he’s Edmund’s bastard — I mean, not that he says that out loud, but it’s pretty much acknowledged and accepted by everyone in the book. This is weird. When we last saw Ethan, everyone suspected but had not confirmed he was related to the Ravenels; Ethan himself seemed unaware of it. Now he says that he’s known since he was little? Whatever. Ethan doesn’t want the land, and says he’ll sell it to West. West gives him his card so they can work out the figures. This will come up again later, somewhere in the middle of all the bombing and government conspiracies.

The next day, Garrett goes to see her fencing instructor. Ethan is already there, beating the crap out of said instructor. He’s like, “And that’s how you fight in the real world.” Fair enough. They talk a little more about their pasts — Ethan’s father, as we know, worked in a prison in Clerkenwell, and Garrett’s dad was a constable. Her dad wasn’t too keen on his only daughter (and child) becoming a doctor, but he can’t abide anyone making fun of Garrett, so he supports her by default. Heh. Ethan talks about how his mom had an arrangement going with a married man (~Edmuuuund Raaaveneeel~), where she would go sleep with him every time the family needed money, and his dad would beat her every time she came back from seeing Ravenel. That’s pretty dark. The book is pretty even-handed about Ethan’s feelings toward his dad — the guy raised him even knowing Ethan wasn’t his kid, he loved Ethan’s mom but also abused her, etc. It’s not comfortable, but it is period-accurate, and Kleypas does a pretty good job showing that reconciling these parts of his father causes Ethan conflict. Anyway, despite all this, Ethan has vowed never to hurt a woman. That’s like the bare minimum, but good for him.

So they throw each other around a bit, blah blah SO VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, blah blah HEAVING BREATHS blah. Then he gets an erection from standing too close to her, except it’s hilarious because unlike most heroines, Garrett’s read an anatomy book and knows what’s going on. Their lesson ends, and Ethan’s like, “You’ll never see me again! I mean, not because the erection thing was embarrassing, but because of my SECRET JOB FULL OF SECRETS.” Whatever, she totally will see him again, and there will probably be more erections involved.

(There’s a bit where Garrett sighs that she’s not particularly ladylike, and Ethan says, “I see no fault in you.” I point this out because it’s probably the single most romantic line in this book, and possibly this series so far? I’m not a huge fan of overblown love declarations, and the mostly muted, straightforward dialogue in this book is absolutely my cup of tea. It’s excellent.)

Garrett goes to hang out with Helen. Helen, girl! How have you been? I would catch you up to speed, but I don’t really want to relive Devil in Spring again. Garrett tells Helen that she’s been having boy problems, and Helen says that maybe Garrett should get over Ethan by going to parties, or…say, would she want to meet Helen’s cousin, West? Is Helen wingmanning for West? That’s hilarious. Garrett’s like, “Uh, the Garrett/West ship was sunk ages ago, where you been?” Helen’s like, “But, but, Ethan is dangerous!” and Garrett’s like, “Is that supposed to be a turn-off?” We’re in a romance novel, Helen, keep up. Helen tells Garrett that Ethan was somehow involved in the bombing at that party Pandora and Gabriel went to in the last book, and he might not be the safest person to get involved with.

Despite this, Garrett still wants to see Ethan, and she emos through her days. Her birthday arrives, and Garrett’s co-doctor, Dr. Havelock, is like, “Dude, you need to get laid.” He says that if she were a man, he would recommend she just go to a brothel, but as she’s a woman, she should take up a lover. Yeah! Men shouldn’t have to put in the effort of finding a consensual fuck buddy, they should just go buy another human being. SIIIIGH. Garrett snarks that she’s doing just fine, but nevertheless, she finds herself wandering around the city being emo…so very emo. She takes out Ethan’s rape whistle and blows it, and wouldn’t you know it, he shows up. So much for never seeing him again.

“That whistle is only for when you need help,” Ransom said in a low voice.[…]
Garrett couldn’t help smiling up at him. “I do need help,” she replied, striving for a normal tone. “I’m hungry.”
[…]
“Acushla,” he said in a rough whisper, “don’t do this.”
“It’s my birthday,” she told him.
His hot gaze turned her inside out. “Is it?”
She nodded, trying to look forlorn. “I’m alone and hungry, and it’s my birthday.”

HEE. And also aw! She keeps being self-deprecating about how he’s probably just following her around PLATONICALLY and how he got an erection the other day PLATONICALLY, and finally Ethan has to be like, “No dude, I like you, like like-like you, like I want to do indecent Victorian things that would ruin your honor like you.” Garrett’s like, “Oh.”

Still, he refuses to do anything about it, except then he takes her a street fair and they watch the fireworks and he buy her violets and starts kissing her neck, like, dude, that is the opposite of staying away from her. But okay, whatever. They run into an Irish woman, who uses Ethan’s real name — Éatán — in front of them. I only mention this because Garrett will start using his Irish name in moments of high drama. They get dinner, and there’s an interlude where Garrett refuses to eat a strange, disgusting foreign food known as spaghetti. Ha ha, Victorians! She says, “It looks like worms.” Garrett’s lucky instant ramen is a few hundred years off.

Garrett asks Ethan about his job again, and he refuses to give her details, again. She gets fed up and says they should talk somewhere private, and takes him to her house. Yeah! It’s 1876, and women can make the first move! Hilariously, Ethan’s like, “This is such a bad idea,” and the cab driver is like, “DUDE, a woman is inviting you into her house! GO, YOU DUMBASS.” Heh. Ethan freaks out at how old and shitty the lock on Garrett’s house is, and has a bizarre, slightly obsessive meltdown about how there’s nothing standing between Garrett and THE ENTIRE CRIMINAL POPULATION OF LONDON!!! I mean, I get the concern, but dial back the drama there, Ethan. Anyway, so Ethan knows a lot about locks. This will come up again later.

Garrett shows Ethan to her laboratory, and they bond over science and forensics and shit. Garrett tells Ethan that she wants to have an affair, and he gently turns her down:

The way she fumbled with the words, so unlike her usual precise way of speaking, devastated Ethan. He could only guess what it cost her to lay open her pride like this.
[…]
“Have you ever shared a bed with a man? Even once?”

“Why is that relevant?”
Her evasive response sent a pleasure-pang down to the pit of his stomach. “That means no,” he said again, his voice even softer than before. 

And look! He finds out she’s a virgin, and doesn’t condescendingly think about how adorable her inexperience is! THANK YOU, ETHAN. Garrett won’t take no for an answer, though, and they end up making out. There’s a slightly bizarre aside about how he learned the ~erotic arts~ from some woman in India (presumably on the same trip where he learned martial arts), which, okay, whatever. Then he gets all up under her skirt, and Garrett…doesn’t know what the clitoris is. What? But…the anatomy textbooks! GIRL. So anyway, he has to ~teach~ her about orgasms. Ugh, fine.

Garrett wants to keep their affair going, but Ethan tells her he’s about to become a wanted man, and she’ll be in trouble too if she associates with him. Garrett presses, and Ethan admits that Jasper Jenkyn, as well as bunch of other people in the Home Office, are up to some shady shit with the Irish and Home Rule and look, is anyone actually reading this book for the politics? So whatever, government conspiracy, whatever, and Ethan is going to bust it wide open. He bids Garrett farewell and says they’ll never see each other again. Oh, whatever.

So Ethan goes to see Jenkyn the next day, and exposits a bit about how Jenkyn’s mortal enemy is some dude named Felbrigg, who’s head of the police. Ethan doesn’t like Jenkyn, and knows he’s involved in all kinds of shady shit, but Jenkyn was his mentor, and Ethan still lowkey craves his approval. Fair enough. There’s another dude working under Jenkyn, William Gamble, who considers Ethan a rival. File that away for later. Jenkyn says that he wants Ethan and Gamble to infiltrate a society event, in order to case the house it’s being held in. Oh, and it would be super helpful if Ethan were to bring a date. Say, that hot doctor lady he’s been hanging around with? Ethan flips out that Jenkyn knows about Garrett. He didn’t see that coming? Dude, you are a SPY. Anyway, Ethan confronts Gamble, and Gamble admits to following Ethan, and tattling to Jenkyn about Garrett. Apparently at one point Jenkyn implied that he wants one of his proteges to kill the other, and so Gamble wants to kill Ethan now. Ethan’s like, “Or…neither of us could kill each other,” and Gamble’s like, “Stop saying words.”

Meanwhile, Garrett is still emo. Dr. Havelock decides to cheer her up by inviting her to a party, because an esteemed doctor wants to meet her. Is this the same party that Ethan is going to? Yes, yes it is. Can’t wait for them to never see each other again!

Garrett gets a makeover montage — Helen’s maid tweezes her eyebrows, because “They’re caterpillars.” I bet Garrett would have hella followers on Instagram. Anyway, she’s having a good time at the party — the esteemed doctor turns out to be pretty un-sexist and they’re having a nice chat, but then the lady of the estate pulls Garrett away and introduces her to Jenkyn. Oh snap! Then Ethan joins their chat, and it’s just all kinds of fun. Jenkyn says he arranged for Garrett to be there, which Ethan does not like at all: 

“It’s a warning for me,” Ethan said flatly, not looking at her.
“A warning about what?”
The question seemed to fracture Ethan’s self-assured façade. “He knows that where you’re concerned, I . . . have . . . a preference.”
[…]
“Preference,” Garrett repeated cautiously. “What does that mean? You prefer me to what?”
[…]
“I prefer you to everything,” he said gruffly.

AWWW. God, I love their dialogue.

So they make out in the stairwell a bit, and Garrett insists on accompanying Ethan on his spy subterfuge. There’s an aside where they run into Dr. Havelock, and he’s like, “Bro, you totally look like a Ravenel.” Garrett’s like, “Say what?” and Ethan’s all, “Stop saying words.” He takes her to a study to steal papers out of a safe, and of course Gamble walks in on them. Ethan thinks fast and kisses Garrett, and he and Gamble exchange some barbs about how they’re SUPPOSED to be WORKING. After Gamble leaves, Ethan says the papers in the safe are proof that Jenkyn and a bunch of other higher-ups have been conspiring to carry out bomb attacks and pin the blame on the Irish, whatever, they already brought this plot up in the last book. So now he has to turn Jenkyn in, and then he and Garrett will never see each other again, for real this time. She’s like, “Or you could come deflower me tonight,” and we all know which one Ethan’s going to pick, right?

But first: plot. He goes to deliver the papers to Felbrigg — Jenkyn’s rival and the head of police, you’ll recall — but notices that Felbrigg is SUSPICIOUSLY UNENTHUSIASTIC about being handed material to destroy his enemy. But then he’s like, “Whatever, it’s probably nothing,” and leaves. Dude, you are a SPY (x2).

Naturally Ethan goes to Garrett — there’s a bit about him bringing her a picture of a monkey, which is one of his only material possessions — and they have sex. She asks him not to leave, or at least take her with him on his adventures, but he refuses. And now, he has to go, and they’re never going to see each other again. Really, for real this time!

And it looks like they might really never see each other again, because the next night, Gamble comes out of nowhere and shoots Ethan. Gamble tells him that that Felbrigg is a cowardly custard and sold Ethan out to Jenkyn. Ethan’s like, “Well, that’s not at all how I planned it,” and he pitches himself into the Thames, where he definitely dies, and the book ends here.

Just kidding! Over at Garrett’s house, she’s puttering around in a much better mood now that she’s gotten laid. She thinks that once all this government conspiracy business is done with, Ethan will be able to date her like a normal person. Maybe they’ll even get married! Cutely, she thinks Ethan will have to be the one to propose, as he’s much more romantic than she is. HEE. They’re so precious together, you guys. I love them.

Then she gets a note from Kathleen, asking her to come see the Ravenels. Garrett’s like, “Weird,” but goes anyway. My girl Cassandra makes her only appearance of the book: she’s waiting for Garrett at the house, and she tells Garrett that there’s a stranger who needs medical attention. The man was shot and thrown into the Thames, and some passerbys pulled him out and brought him to Ravenel House, as the man had West’s card in his jacket.

Well, gosh. Who could it be?

Garrett wonders why the Ravenels took in a stranger, and West pops up behind her and says, “He’s not a stranger.” Then, to Cassandra: “Darling,” he murmured, “let me have a few moments with the doctor.”

WHY WON’T LISA KLEYPAS LET ME HAVE MY WEST/CASSANDRA SHIP ;_;

Anyway, West tells Garrett that the stranger asked for her, and seeing West’s eyes makes her put two and two together. She goes in to see Ethan, and he’s all, “I’m definitely dying, this is definitely our last moment together.” He makes a romantic speech, but Garrett’s like, “Hell no, we still have like ten chapters to go!” (Ethan: “You haven’t one romantic bone in your body.” HEE.) He asks her to say that she loves him, and she says she’ll tell him after his surgery. Oh, girl! That’s what Tahiri did to Anakin in the New Jedi Order books, and he died of a busted spleen and she went insane for the entire rest of the series, until Disney put her out of her misery by making new Star Wars movies and rendering the EU non-canon. Is that what you want for yourself, Garrett?! Anyway, she busts out her surgical kit and gets ready to save him. She summons Dr. Havelock to help her with the procedure, but he doesn’t think Ethan can be saved. He accuses Garrett of letting her emotions control her decisions, and says she’s prolonging Ethan’s suffering by trying to save him, instead of letting him die. Ouch. Dr. Havelock leaves, so Garrett has to save Ethan with West as her assistant. Heh. West keeps up a constant stream of commentary, until Garrett says, “If you don’t stop talking, I will chloroform you and do this by myself.” Ahh, she’s such a delight.

Garrett wants to give Ethan a blood transfusion, but lol Victorians, nobody knows if it will work. West volunteers to donate blood, and they’re all on tenterhooks if Ethan’s going to die or not. But he lives! Because he and West are related! West tells Garrett that Ethan is his half-brother. Then the book weirdly switches into West’s POV, where he’s all salty that someone tried to kill his “kinsman” (okay, I didn’t realize we were in a Highlander book). He and Devon decide that Ethan should be hidden from his assassins at Eversby Priory, the Ravenel estate in Hampshire. West is also like, “I love farming so much, I hate the city, take me back to my cows.”

Can I just put forth this Vine as an alternative to reading West’s book?

The Ravenels insist that Garrett also go to Eversby Priory with Ethan, partially because she’s on Jenkyn’s list too, and partially so she and Ethan can bang in relative privacy. Kathleen’s like, “Hell yeah me and Devon fucked all over that estate, A+ environment for premarital sex.”

Rhys Winterborne makes his only appearance of the entire book to pop up and see them off at the train station. He tells Garrett that he thinks she was right to try and save Ethan’s life, and gives her some PTO and money. And that’s it for him! Dammit, I miss him and Helen 🙁

On the way to Hampshire, Garrett and West talk about their lives and how he loves living on the estate and farming, blah blah character exposition because he’s the hero of the next book blah. Ethan eventually recovers, he and West bond, he and Garrett confess their love for each other and everyone is happy UNTIL THE FIRE NATION ATTACKS!

Jenkyn and Gamble are still after Ethan, and Gamble and some other dude show up at Eversby Priory one night. Naturally, Garrett is the one to run into them, and there’s like five seconds of suspense that they’re going to hurt her, but then Ethan busts in and saves her and then West beats up another guy and everyone ends up in the same room together and also Obama is there. I don’t know. They go back to London and whistleblow the whole Home Office corruption story to the London Times, and then Ethan goes to confront Jenkyn. Jenkyn tries to shoot Ethan, but Garrett shoots him first.

So Jenkyn’s arrested, Gamble’s arrested, Ethan gets promoted to assistant police commissioner, and he and Garrett skip off together to live in a world where people aren’t trying to kill Ethan every five days. Aw! I love them! I think they’re objectively cuter than Helen and Rhys, although I still like Marrying Winterborne more just for pushing my favorite character buttons. The spy plot in this book was actually simple enough to be followed, and it didn’t take up too much time with egregious exposition or scenes that took away from the main characters’ relationship. I skimmed through most of it because lol who was actually reading this book for that, but as a background plot that pushed the characters together, it was done very well.

And then we get a preview for Devil’s Daughter, because someone asked for that, I guess. West and Phoebe have been retconned into knowing each other since childhood, and West regrets messing up their relationship, because if she had been into him, he would never have spent the entirety of his twenties being a fuckboy. Whatever. I can’t say that his screen time in this book made me any more enthused for him as a main character, and I’m assuming another book about Sebastian’s kids will bring Gabriel back in the picture? But maybe Gabriel will be more palatable when I don’t have to read his obsessive, condescending thought processes. Maybe Garrett will save me by showing up halfway through the book and threatening to castrate all the men. I can dream!

Comments

15 responses to “The Ravenels #4: Hello Stranger”

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    test account

    oml I love your shade and salt , I swear I’m reading the ravenals series for Cassandra lol

    1. Em Avatar

      Haha thank you for reading! 🙂 I swear, the fact that we have to wait for the last book for Cassandra’s story is making me crazy.

  2. Sara S. Avatar
    Sara S.

    First of all, none of the Ravenel books said West and Devon were first cousins to the Ravenel heir. Second, Kleypas did not retcon Ethan’s parentage, I think it was intended all along for Ethan to be a Ravenel (the next-to-last scene in Devil in Spring, where Gabriel asks Ethan about his parentage, Ethan pauses before answering, so I think Kleypas intended to imply he was lying). And also West did NOT tell Garrett that Ethan was his half-brother, that would be a big mistake in the book because Edmund Ravenel had one legitimate son, Theo, who died in an accident and so Devon became the new Lord Trenear. Ethan should actually be Lord Trenear, but because he was illegitimate of course that never happened. Last but not least, West was not retconned into knowing Phoebe, but rather knowing her childhood friend and late husband Henry, which isn’t quite so bizarre plot-wise. Your review made me laugh, and other than the miscomprehension and false facts it was satisfying. One thing Kleypas did get wrong was (and this is a surprisingly big one) the timeline for Hello Stranger. If you’ve been keeping up with the dates in the previous books of the Ravenels series, you’ll see what I mean. The date should be 1878, not 1876. 1876 is impossible considering the fact that Devon inherited Eversby Priory in August 1875, he and Kathleen marry the same time Helen and Rhys get engaged (January or February 1876), Helen discovers she’s pregnant in September of the same year (end of Marrying Winterborne), and Devil in Spring starts out with Pandora attending her first season (London seasons occurred during early winter and spring, lasting for 3 months). The year is not given, but can be easily figured out when the book mentions Helen’s difficult birthing experience (remember? It’s why she was unable to visit the Challon’s with the Ravenels). 9 or 8 months after September 1876 would be around May 1877. Gabriel and Pandora are married later that year, and Pandora gets stabbed/Garrett performs the surgery on Pandora fall or winter of 1877. In the first or second chapter of Hello Stranger, Kleypas mentions that Garrett had encountered Ethan at the clinic when he was investigating Pandora’s stabbing about a month ago. So…yeah, she should’ve made the date late winter or early spring 1878. But I can hardly complain over one small technical error when her books are so darn awesome! I know this post is longg but one more thing…why are you so bent on West and Cassandra? I don’t see any chemistry, but even if there was, they’re cousins and cousins mean incestuous nausea.

    1. Sara S. Avatar
      Sara S.

      Wait, actually I was wrong about the year given in Devil in Spring. It says “1876, two days earlier” so this date (1876) is wrong as well. Sometimes technical errors can really bug me, but I should add that that isn’t the biggest reason I dislike your reviews. It’s because you’re quick to judge something as a bore (or a cliche, or whatever), when really you are only bored. That’s putting it very simply, of course. Fans of a writer, etc. usually get defensive when they read critical reviews, especially if they love the particular book that’s being denigrated. I’d be the first to admit that Lisa Kleypas’ books hold cliches…but nowadays, what doesn’t? Soon literally everything will be perceived as a cliche, and technically everything already is. No thought is original and most thoughts are banal, depending on the reader. What’s one woman’s junk is another woman’s treasure, I guess. So pointing out cliches at every turn is rapidly becoming a cliche, if you get what I mean. It seems all reviewers are doing it. As for the “virgin and rake” pairing Lisa Kleypas specializes in that seems to tick you off so profoundly, I must point out that it is very historically accurate. Unmarried women in the aristocracy and upper classes were choice goods (meaning…unspoiled, and yes that much hated word, innocent) to barter with, usually manipulated by their fathers to achieve wealth and status for their familes in society. In spite of all this, back then few women were protesting their rights (or lack of, which is astoundingly obvious to all who look back). Women have so many more rights at present than their ancestors could dream of, and yet their satisfaction is minimal compared to most of history. I get that you’re a feminist and all, so I suppose all reviews on romance novels, particularly historical romance novels, that you do are going to be mostly negative. If you have an aversion to alpha males, you’ll hate most of Kleypas’ books. Which is a pity, for reasons obvious to any fan. And if a woman reserves the right to do with her body what she pleases (assuming you are pro choice) then why is prostitution wrong? It’s the woman’s choice, after all. I don’t condemn Kleypas’ illustrations of prostitution, as they are historically accurate and do not seem to be promoting prostitution as a lifestyle. If mere inclusion is promotion, then we have a problem. I just don’t get how any feminist could enjoy a romance novel, as feminists themselves once said that copulation inevitably leads to male domination and female submission. And if one is incapable of truly enjoying or understanding a genre, I doubt one could legitimately critique it.

      1. Em Avatar

        Damn these comments are like a thousand words together and there are still only two things right in all of them.

        Anyway, I’m not gonna go through all of it because we clearly have different worldviews and reasons for enjoying romance novels. Some people don’t find snark about things they love funny, which is fine, but that’s the point of this blog so that should probably be kept in mind.

        >I think it was intended all along for Ethan to be a Ravenel (the next-to-last scene in Devil in Spring

        Beginning of this post: In book #3, literally everyone who runs into Ransom (our hero) immediately marvels over how his eyes are THE EXACT SHADE of Ravenel Blue, and they’re all like, “Dude, I bet you’re totally related to them.” And yet, when Ransom was first introduced in book #2, Helen — supposedly one of his relatives — doesn’t notice his eyes at all.

        >that would be a big mistake in the book because Edmund Ravenel had one legitimate son

        Hello Stranger, chapter 16: “He hasn’t told you, then. The Ravenels are his family. His father was the old earl. If Ransom hadn’t been born a bastard, he would be Lord Trenear right now.”

        >West was not retconned into knowing Phoebe

        Hello Stranger, chapter 23: “Red hair isn’t a requirement, but I do have a fatal weakness for it.” West’s mouth twisted with a self-mocking grin. […]”[She’s] an imaginary woman.” Averting his gaze, West used the toe of his boot to flick a loose pebble to the side of the drive. “Who happens to despise me,” he muttered.

        >As for the “virgin and rake” pairing Lisa Kleypas specializes in that seems to tick you off so profoundly

        Recap of Marrying Winterborne: “the “fragile wallflower and ice-cold asshole” dynamic that’s present in this book, which I am grudgingly a total sucker for.”

        >And if a woman reserves the right to do with her body what she pleases (assuming you are pro choice) then why is prostitution wrong?

        So you just didn’t read any of those links up there, huh?

        >If mere inclusion is promotion, then we have a problem.

        This post: There’s a casual, uncritical reference to prostitution like every ten pages in this book.

        > And if one is incapable of truly enjoying or understanding a genre, I doubt one could legitimately critique it.

        Recap of Devil in Spring: So, given my love of telenovelas, I hope no one is particularly surprised by the fact that I also love romance novels.

        >other than the miscomprehension and false facts it was satisfying.

        alexa play “ironic” by alanis morissette

  3. Sara S. Avatar
    Sara S.

    Oh, wow! Thanks for replying to my exceptionally long comments. You did it pretty quickly, too. Let’s see, this will probably take a lot of words, which is lucky for me because I like writing but unlucky for you if you dislike reading and replying to long posts.
    1. There’s a difference between snark and denigration.
    2. When Ransom was first introduced, it’s equally probable that Helen didn’t notice his eyes due to the distress that she was in, and not because he wasn’t intended to be a Ravenel. Just saying. And technically, Helen isn’t one of Ethan’s relatives because she was illegitimate—her father was Albion Vance, not Edmund Ravenel, but yes I get what you meant, that she was in the position to notice the eye shade of people she had known her entire life.
    2. I added the sentence in parentheses about the next-to-last scene in Devil in Spring because you criticized what you thought was a plot hole: Ethan having no idea about his heritage in Devil in Spring, and subsequently knowing all about it in Hello Stranger.
    3. I said Edmund Ravenel had one LEGITIMATE son, meaning one who was born in wedlock. He had two known sons overall, one who inherited the earldom and one who inherited nothing but an estate because he was a bastard. So I think you misunderstood me.
    4. West met Phoebe at Gabriel and Pandora’s wedding. I thought you meant that they had been retconned into having previously known each other based on the intro of Devil’s Daughter, which is where you mentioned that they hadn’t known each other previously. I was trying to point out that Hello Stranger did mention West’s knowing Phoebe. I concede the point: you’re right, technically that is still a retcon but not as big of one as it would have been had the couple been canon for the first time in Devil’s Daughter. You just made the retcon seem bigger than it was.
    5. Wait, you like the experienced rake paired with the shy virgin? It sounded as though you really disliked it in Devil in Spring. Perhaps you have specific requirements the characters need to fulfill for you to like them, and if so you shouldn’t (for the sake of logic) generalize what you like and claim to enjoy stereotypes. So sometimes it ticks you off (Devil in Spring) and sometimes you love it (Marrying Winterborne). And in both reviews you appear to generalize what you like. Actually in all the Ravenel reviews you do.
    6. And about prostitution, your answer is basically yes. Inclusion of something you perceive as wrong is promotion and therefore offensive, unless the writer takes pains to paint a critical picture of the thing they are including. Then again, almost all people are like that so I shouldn’t judge. Also, I know that the term “every ten pages” is intended as hyperbole, but prostitution is hardly mentioned twice. Maybe you meant her other books, because I know there’s all sorts of prostitution in them (I just finished all her historical romance novels. Go me!) In my opinion, Hello Stranger is Lisa Kleypas’ most “Woke” book yet. She herself recently admitted to being ashamed of some of her earlier books. So good news for you, it’ll only get more Woke from here.

    I’m sorry if my comments were overly critical, but I did want to drive home the fact that it IS possible to laugh at something without, um… destroying it.
    Ironic that I both like and dislike your posts? Yes indeed. Obviously I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t enjoy them to some degree. You’re a good writer. I appreciate articles that make me laugh and at the same time I’m irked by incorrect or falsely portrayed facts, and rhetoric. Kudos to you if you sit down and answer all of this (let alone read it), but I really want to know: do you agree with me on the incorrect timeline in the Ravenel books, Hello Stranger, and possibly Devil in Spring, in particular?
    How many things did I get right, overall? I was right about West not being Ethan’s half-brother (that part of the review where you kinda ragged on West’s point of view and his mention of Ethan as his “kinsman” in particular was rather disconcerting, as you made it seem as though Kleypas had established West and Ethan’s brotherhood as fact and then simply never mentioned it again). And I was right about Devon and West not being mentioned as first cousins to the Ravenel twins.
    There’s also the important matter of your West/Cassandra ship. I just have to elaborate on this—if Kleypas “let you have it” she would be doing today’s equivalent to her controversial rape scene in 1997’s Where Passion Leads. Although cousins marrying would be very historically correct, it carries bad connotations of incest, birth defects and Islam in the 21st century. I’d be quite surprised if she up and did something that monumental, as she’s in Woke phase now and that would be devolvement. Random fact: marriage between first cousins is illegal in half of the US. But, it’s taboo or fine, all depending on point of view. I mean, the main reason it’s taboo is because of the overstated birth defects, after all.

  4. Sara S. Avatar
    Sara S.

    Oh, wow! You answered my exceptionally long comments. This one is going to be quite long, which is good news for me because I love to write and bad news for you if you dislike reading and replying to long comments, which I think you do. I probably shouldn’t have been so critical, but there is a difference between snark and denigration.
    1. It’s worth noting that Helen was under duress both of the times she saw Ethan in Marrying Winterborne, so that could just as easily be the reason she didn’t notice the shade of his eyes, instead of Kleypas’ lack of intentions for him as a Ravenel. Also, Helen technically isn’t a Ravenel but I understand what you meant—that it is remarkable she wouldn’t instantly notice Ethan’s resemblance to the people she’d grown up with. Also, I added the sentence in parentheses about the next-to-last scene in Devil in Spring because you pointed out what you thought was a plot hole: Ethan didn’t know about his heritage in Devil in Spring, and then in Hello Stranger he’s known since childhood. This is easily falsifiable when you take note of Ethan’s reaction to Gabriel’s question in Devil in Spring. I was alluring to the fact that Kleypas probably intended Ethan’s answer to be a lie. So, you misunderstood me.
    2. I said Edmund Ravenel had one LEGITIMATE son. He had two sons in all, one born in wedlock who inherited his earldom and estate, and one born out of wedlock, aka illegitimate issue or a bastard, who didn’t. Had West been Edmund’s son, he would be the Earl of Trenear instead of Devon…no wait, Devon would still be the Earl because Edmund would’ve had three sons in all because Devon and West are brothers, and the twins would be their sisters, not their cousins… I went down a rabbit trail there, but you get what I mean. You misunderstood me again. Also, West’s point of view that you ragged on in your synopsis and the Kleypas’ use of the word “kinsman” doesn’t seem quite so conspicuous as it would have had Kleypas established they were brothers and then simply never mentioned it again.
    3. West was not retconned into knowing Phoebe in Devil’s Daughter, which was how you made it seem by mentioning it in the same paragraph you critiqued said book in. I concede: technically West was retconned into knowing Phoebe, but it was in Hello Stranger and the possibility was open that they met at Gabriel and Pandora’s wedding, as opposed to the couple being introduced for the first time in Devil’s Daughter…which seems a bit less of a retcon. Also, there’s always the possibility that Kleypas intended to marry the two from the start, or, you know, just made it up as she went along like most writers do. I would say it was highly nuanced in Devil in Spring that Phoebe would marry into the Ravenel family.
    4. In this review and the Devil in Spring review, however, you seemed to have a strong dislike of the experienced rake man/shy virgin woman stereotypes. So is it that you have certain requirements the characters in a book have to meet, for you to like the stereotype? That sounds weird, let me rephrase. You shouldn’t claim to adore a stereotype and then hate on the individual couples who embody that stereotype, but don’t carry it out to your liking. It’s inconsistent to love Helen and Rhys because of that dynamic, and criticize Garrett and Ethan, Kathleeen and Devon and mostly Gabriel and Pandora because of it. Or perhaps your taste is very singular, and I shouldn’t judge. Don’t worry, Hello Stranger was Kleypas’ most woke book yet, and they’ll probably only get woker from here.
    5. So your answer is basically yes, if a writer includes a topic you deem to be wrong without criticizing it accordingly, that is promotion of the topic. Well, many people think that way so once again who am I to judge. I know your assertion that Hello Stranger referenced prostitution ever 10 pages of the book was intended to be hyperbolic, but it’s worth pointing out that Kleypas mentioned prostitution a maximum of two or three times, and that’s being generous. In her earlier books (and I’ve just finished reading all of her HR novels, go me!) she does have numerous references to prostitution and includes the use and hiring of prostitutes in some of her books, but she has evolved feministically in recent years, as you said. Of course I read the links, and in case you didn’t notice I didn’t give my personal viewpoint of whether prostitution is wrong. I asked you why you thought it was wrong, as I think it is slightly hypocritical for a woman to condone abortion, saying that women should have the ability to do as they please with their bodies, while damning prostitution. Doesn’t it seem a little fallacious to you? The subject of whether prostitution and abortion are morally right or wrong is a long debated question that I didn’t mean to raise. It is interesting to note, however, that I could produce twice as many links to articles declaring abortion to be a heinous act of murder, and that women who commit it are statistically less ethical and treat children worse, etc. I think you get my point, though. Different people have different morals, and some people’s unique combination of scruples are very…ironic. I love that word.
    6. It’s ironic that I both enjoyed and disliked your review? Yes indeed. You’re a good writer, and obviously if I didn’t enjoy your reviews to some extent I wouldn’t be here to bless you with my benevolent presence. I appreciate articles that make me laugh and at the same time plot holes and inconsistent/unfair disparagement irks me.
    Kudos to you if you read all this (let alone reply to it). I do have some questions though. Do you agree with me on the incorrect timeline of the Ravenel books? And how many things overall did I get right? You were wrong on West and Ethan being brothers and Devon and West being described as first cousins to the twins and Ethan in one of the books. The rest, you can decide whether you’re still right or not.
    I can’t get over your shipping of West and Cassandra. It’s worth remarking that if Kleypas “let you have it” she would be doing today’s equivalent to the controversial rape scene in 1997’s Where Passion Leads. And although it would be very historically accurate, it wouldn’t be very woke. Marriage between first cousins is taboo mostly because of the incestuous overtones and the birth defects caused in children born to those couples (although said defects have been overstated in some reports). And it also carries connotations of incest, inborn royalty and, most recently, Islam. But of course, everyone has their preferences and technically, consanguinity in the form of marriage involving first cousins is legal in half of the US. Still though…
    What I really wanted to drive home is the fact that you can snarky and wittily review a book without destroying it. And correct a few things that were erroneous.

    P.S. This is all paraphrased from my first post today, which hasn’t appeared here for some reason. So if the first one shows up, kindly ignore this one as a paraphrased repost, please. This paragraph can also be seen as a disclaimer, since everyone knows that the second time you write something it’s half the quality. And another disclaimer could be that I’m at the ripe old age of 15 and therefore stupid. No, I’m not afraid to hide behind my age sometimes.

  5. Sara S. Avatar
    Sara S.

    Blast it, I was right! Delete the paraphrased one please.

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    karim

    well, i’m a stranger here myself…
    (i’m french !)
    i’d like to thank you for these posts, which i’ve been reading for a few weeks, starting with Rebelde Way, and following with The Ravenels – your take on these (hm…) “works” (?) is incredibly funny, and at times, quite fascinating !
    i’m quite sure that i would be unable to read those novels (i would probably have to term them “utter crap”) –
    nevertheless, while reading Joyce’s “Ulysses”, i keep getting back to your Ravenels Recap, and take a huge pleasure in it !

    1. Em Avatar

      Thank you for reading! I freely admit a lot of the stuff I recap is, uh, not at all James Joyce-level fiction, but I’m glad you’re enjoying it anyway 🙂

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    Billay Gill

    I’ve stopped reading the series and only read your run-through synopsis’ now. You’re hilarious.

    Thank you!

    1. Em Avatar

      Thank you so much! 😀

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    Anonymous

    Unless I’m mistaken, Ethan is half-brother to Pandora and Cassandra. His father and their father was Edmund, Lord Trenear.

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    Anonymous

    Edmund, Lord Trenear married Jane
    1. Theo
    2. Cassandra
    3. Pandora

    Edmund, Lord Trenear and unknown woman
    1. Ethan – raised by Angus Ransom in Ireland (bi-blow of Edmond)

    Jane and Albion Vance
    1. Helen (bi-blow of Albion Vance)

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    Anonymous

    Lol. Can you see this touches a nerve for me!!! In the book Hello Stranger, this conversation happened between Ethan and West, “Good luck, Ransom. Take good care of our little parcel. Wire me if you need anything else.” “That goes for you as well,” Ethan replied. “After all, I still owe you for the pint of blood.” “Bugger that, you owe me for all the scaffolding I had to pull down.” They exchanged grins. The grip of their hands felt warm and solid. Safe. This must be a brotherly feeling, Ethan thought, this sense of camaraderie and connection, this unspoken understanding that they would always take the other’s side.

    Kleypas, Lisa. Hello Stranger: The Ravenels, Book 4 (pp. 359-360). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.

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