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Rebelde Way 2×081: Exit, Pursued By a Bear

The first five minutes of this episode are literally just replaying the end of last episode. In case you’ve forgotten: the plot FINALLY got rolling, and Marizza found out that Martavio is her dad, while Mia found out that Manuel banged Sabrina and then proceeded to lie about it and continue hanging out with Sabrina for like twenty episodes.

The good news is, we get to watch Manuel get slapped again. Tragically, it once again happened too fast for me to get a really good cap of it/Pablo’s face.

Then I guess we skip ahead into the future, and Mia narrates for us that she went home and locked herself up in her room, because she couldn’t face dealing with everyone at school. Fair enough. Wish they didn’t make us stare head-on at Luisana Lopilato while she tried to dramatically deliver that monologue, but we can’t have everything.

Meanwhile, over in the land of slightly better acting, Marizza is throwing things at Martavio and Sonia, shrieking that she can’t stand them. She tells them that she wishes she were an orphan like Lujan. Way harsh, Marizza! She runs out, and Sonia and Martavio are like, “Okay, that did not go well.” Marizza monologues to the camera — oh, I see what they’re doing here — that her entire life is a lie and Sonia is dead to her now, and nobody can stop her from doing whatever the hell she wants to.

And the credits have completely changed, for some reason. They’re oddly cheerful, considering what’s just happened.

“LOL, abusing my son! Hijinks!”

We cut to Martavio’s art class, which Marizza is attending. I guess by “do whatever the hell she wants”, she didn’t mean skipping class or anything heinous like that. Martavio anvils that he knows some of them have feelings that they need to get out, so they should really put them all out there on the paper and EXPRESS THEMSELVES in their art. Marizza expresses herself by spraying him in the face with a paint bottle. Fernanda snarks that Marizza’s clearly taking out her daddy issues on him, and Marizza sprays her, too. And Diego too, for good measure. All the kids freak out, except for Pablo and Manuel.

Marizza wanders out of class, and Pablo chases after her. Aw! He’s like, “Are you TRYING to get kicked out of school?” and Marizza’s like, “Yup.” They run into Sonia in the hall, and Marizza snipes that this is a school, not a brothel. Even Pablo is like, “Bro, way harsh,” and Marizza storms off. Sonia asks if Pablo knows why Marizza’s being so weird. Naturally Pablo’s like, “No, tell me more,” but Sonia says she won’t if Marizza hasn’t told him herself. Pablo warns Sonia that she has to do something, because letting Marizza run amok will only end badly. He’s not wrong.

Sonia goes to see Martavio, and tells him that his method — leaving Marizza alone and hoping she cools off — isn’t working. Martavio argues with her, and it’s kind of stupid because Sonia’s known Marizza way longer than he has, so there’s no reason for him to think that he knows better than her. Sonia’s like, “We must stop her rebeldia!” and storms out.

Over in Dunoff’s office, Javier, his mom, and Papa B are having a meeting to get Javier into Elite Way. Dunoff agrees to make an exception for Javier and Papa B’s money, and gushes that Javier’s just going to love Elite Way, with their excellent facilities and high quality education. Papa B’s like, “Let’s not exaggerate.” Heh. As soon as Dunoff leaves, Javier starts pitching a fit about how he can’t be LOCKED UP in this PRISON!! Whatever, Javier, kids sneak out of this school all the damn time. Javier whines to his mom until Papa B grabs his leg and snarls at him to be grateful. Javier and Ines are freaked out.

Manuel calls Papa C, and Papa C tells him that Mia’s not doing too well. He’s put her up in a hotel, because that…will make her less depressed…somehow? I don’t know. He called a doctor to look over her, and Manuel asks him to call Manuel and tell him what the doctor says later. Papa C agrees. Conveniently, the doctor’s done with his checkup as soon as they hang up, and he’s like, “Yeah, she’s hella depressed. IDK, make her go out or something.” Helpful! For some reason, the doctor adds that she might have gotten it from her mother, even though he is in no way old enough to have been working when Mia was a baby.

Guido’s calling some girl, making plans to go out with her tonight. Where does Guido find all these girls? Where? Pablo and Tomás want to come along, too. Tomás, Pilar is going to hurt you. Augustina overhears Guido, and wants to know who he was talking to. He quickly BSes that he was just talking to his parents, and making plans to, uh…do butcher things. Totally. Augustina buys this, and chirps that they’re going out with her dad today. Guido sweatdrops.

Sonia tells Marizza that she is going to spend time with Sonia and listen to what she has to say, whether she likes it or not. They are going to BOND, dammit, even if Sonia has to force her.

Gloria shows Javier to his room, which naturally is Pablo’s room. Dude, there are already four guys in that room, up from three. I don’t think there’s any space left.

Manuel goes to the hotel to see Mia, and Papa C asks him what happened between them. Manuel starts ugly crying and confesses that he cheated on her. He wails that he just doesn’t know how it happened (BECAUSE ALL YOU CARED ABOUT WAS GETTING LAID, MANUEL), and he totally didn’t MEAN to stick his dick into a whole other girl than his girlfriend. Papa C is not pleased with this turn of events, although he does say he can understand Manuel’s actions, “as a man.” The gender relations on this show are so, so bad. Anyway, Mia comes out of her room, and Manuel scrambles to hide under the bed or some shit. She asks Papa C if he can put her in a different school. You know, why doesn’t Manuel just leave Elite Way? He only enrolled there because of this whole revenge thing! He’s not obligated to stay! Go to college, Manuel!

And…he actually kind of takes my advice, because he dramatically tells Papa C that he’ll never show his face around here again. “Where are you planning on going?” Papa C asks. “I don’t know,” Manuel says. What? Manuel, you have like, an entire life in Mexico. Anyway, his one last wish is to see Mia before he bails forever.

Pablo runs into Papa B and Ines, and he’s like, “Is there a reason you guys are here…coming out of the principal’s office?” Papa B chirps that they have an awesome surprise for Pablo. Pablo’s like, “Is it money?” Heh. No, the surprise is Javier rolling up in his Elite Way uniform. Pablo’s like, “Aw, hell no.” Papa B and Ines leave, and Pablo snaps at Javier to stay out of his way. “Why?” derps Javier, and Pablo’s like, “Because I hate you! Keep up!”

Laura’s been avoiding Marcos, but he catches up to her and wants to know what’s wrong. “I’m avoiding you because I know you’re a jerk and I don’t want to be treated like trash like every other girl you’ve dated,” she doesn’t say. Instead, she BSes some excuse about studying, but Marcos is like, “So…we’re not gonna discuss how we kissed?” He insists that kissing means something to him, except if it did, he probably wouldn’t have been making out with Fernanda all over the place while still liking Lujan, but that’s none of my business. He’s like, “There’s something between us!” and Laura’s like, “Well, that’s your opinion,” and runs off. HA!

Lujan comes up and asks Marcos if everything’s fine. He’s like, “I’m TOTALLY fine, so fuck off.” He’s such a catch, you guys.

Marizza gets out a knife and dramatically carves her last name off of her binder. Then she kind of looks at her wrist, and holy shit, is she considering cutting herself? That’s way realer than I thought this show would ever go. She doesn’t, though; she just gives herself a Significant Haircut instead. I get that it’s deep and all, but I’m mostly just relieved that she is FINALLY getting rid of her white girl dreads.

Sonia and Papa C talk on the phone about how difficult their daughters are being, and how they wish they could be off somewhere making out instead of being parents. That’s real nice, guys. Mia walks in and Papa C has to hang up, lest Mia find out about his freaking fiancée. Mia tells him that she’s been researching schools that he can send her to instead of Elite Way. Papa C tells her that she has to face her fears instead of running away, and that Manuel has promised to leave forever as long as he can talk to her one more time. Mia wails that she can’t face him, but Papa C tells her that she should do it.

Meanwhile, Manuel’s being emo about his shitty life decisions, because we are really supposed to feel bad for him. He’s all, “I must talk to Mia, but she’ll never speak to me again!” NOBODY CARES, MANUEL.

Then, bizarrely, we get a shot of Pablo talking into…a camera? He’s saying that he’s realized that he has to fight for his love, and it’s nice and all, but WHEN DID THIS EVEN HAPPEN. Why is he talking to a camera? Why is it on a computer? I HAVE QUESTIONS.

Gloria brings Javier into class and introduces him to everyone. Hilda notes that Manuel, Mia, and Pilar are all excused from class, but where’s Marizza? Javier immediately volunteers to look for her, but Pablo cockblocks him and says that he’ll look for her, since the new kid might get lost and all. Hilda’s like, “You right. Pablo, you go look for her.” Pablo is all smirky over his victory. He’s less smirky, though, when he runs into Marizza with half her hair hacked off. He’s concerned for her well-being and tells her not to hurt herself, to which Marizza snipes, “Look who’s talking, the number-one drunk.” You know, if they’re gonna keep calling Pablo an alcoholic, they could bother to show him drinking more than once a season. Pablo says that he’s speaking from experience, then walks off.

Sonia and Martavio roll up right after that. Martavio’s all, “I think you look cute!” because he is useless. Sonia starts bawling her eyes out, and Marizza’s like, “Peace out,” and swans off to class.

Manuel comes back to school and finds Sabrina waiting for him. He tells her that Mia found out about them sleeping together and broke up with him. Sabrina’s like, “This is the greatest day of my life!” because she is a sad, sad girl. She quickly pastes on her sympathetic face and weeps all over Manuel that this is totally her fault, and of course Manuel strokes her ego and says that it’s not. Sabrina says that she’s getting her test results back tomorrow, and Manuel says that he’s still planning on going with her, because his dumb ass has learned absolutely nothing.

Marizza goes to class, and all the kids laugh at her — including Marcos, but excepting Diego, I should note. Fuck Marcos, man. When Diego’s a better person than you, you know it’s bad. Feli and Vico cackle that they have to text Mia about this. Wait, are they not at all concerned about her? They know she overheard them! I saw them turn around and everything! Vico says Mia probably won’t talk to them again. So…she’s mad at them for gossiping about Manuel? Can this show ever be straightforward about what’s happening? Sol and Belen are pleased that Mia’s group is tearing themselves apart.

Dunoff is on the phone with someone, talking about the tournament. Mama D comes in and tiredly asks what’s going on now. Heh. She’s just as sick of this stupid rugby shit as I am. She’s also here to discuss their separation some more, as she wants to move out with Pilar. Dunoff yells at her that he doesn’t want to separate, and her silly female wants and needs don’t mean dick to him. Mama D throws her hands up and walks out.

Sol walks into the cafeteria to survey her handiwork: Feli and Vico are fretting that they can’t reach Mia; meanwhile, a bunch of the guys are trying to convince Manuel to stay because they need him on the rugby team. NOBODY CARES ABOUT RUGBY, YOU GUYS. Then everyone goes silent, because Mia’s walked in. Manuel immediately jumps up and tries to intercept her, but she blows him off. Good for her.

Lujan and Laura confront Marizza about what’s going on with her. Marizza snaps at them to stop nosing around in her life, and they almost fight — well, Lujan and Marizza do; Laura stands by and does nothing, as usual — until Gloria breaks it up. She tells Lujan that she has bad news. Since Lujan’s tutor has gone AWOL and never signed the latest BS form this school sent, Lujan can’t keep attending. Lujan’s like, “What the fuck, this is the opposite of how every other school on the planet works.”

Dunoff calls Pilar in to maneuver her into the middle of her parents’ messy divorce. A+ parenting! Pilar says that maybe it’s for the best, because she can’t stand to see them fighting anymore.

Vico and Feli go to talk to Mia, and she ices them out. Vico says that they didn’t tell her the truth because they wanted to protect her — you know how this goes, this is like the stock argument of every television drama ever. Mia goes off on them that they should’ve told her the truth, and then Feli tries to throw Vico under the bus all like, “I totally would’ve told you, but Vico wouldn’t let me!” Vico’s going to cut you, Feli. Mia snaps that she’s sick of them, and goes back to pulling pictures of Manuel down from her walls.

Sonia tries to talk to Marizza again — she’s worried that Marizza’s haircut is a minor form of self-harm — but Marizza snipes at her that the haircut is just the first of many changes. Yeah, that’s never a good thing, coming from Marizza. I don’t blame Sonia for getting nervous. Hilda, who’s watched this whole thing go down, advises that maybe Sonia should back off and let Martavio try to reach Marizza. “It’s time for him to do his part,” she says. Hee.

Lujan asks Gloria to get her her tutor’s contact information. Gloria’s like, “No can do, we always communicate through email, just like you and him.” Lujan says that she knows that’s a lie, because her tutor told her he’s spoken with Gloria before.

Dunoff tells Tomás that he’s in charge of the rugby team now. What? Tomás? Really? What kind of nepotism. I wouldn’t trust Tomás to watch my fish, much less control a whole team of teenage boys. Also, you’re telling me there’s no other teacher at that school who could’ve done it? Just kidding, I know there isn’t. Anyway, Tomás rounds the boys up and tells them that they’re going to start training again. All the guys laugh in his face, because LOL Tomás, but he gets serious and they’re like, “Oh dang, you’re for real.” They scurry off to get ready, and Pablo and Guido congratulate Tomás for sleeping his way to the top. Pablo tells Tomás that they have a problem: on Monday they have a quiz, and they can’t have rugby AND party their faces off the night before. Clearly the solution to this is not to get wasted and cheat on their girlfriends, but this does not occur to them. They tell Tomás to use his pull with Dunoff to reschedule rugby practice.

Then Augustina’s dad rocks up, and Guido’s like, “Oh hey! Uh, can’t talk, I have rugby practice, just ask my coach Tomás.” “No, it’s cool, you guys take as long as you want,” Tomás says. Heh. Suffer, Guido.

Marizza goes down to the basement to be emo, but Mia’s already beaten her to it. She’s crying under the stairs, and Marizza asks if she won’t forgive Manuel. This is so stupid and honestly kind of troubling. This show hardcore pushes the message that if you love someone, you should forgive them any and everything — like Marizza saying that if she loved Diego, she would forgive him for two-timing her with Paloma. There’s this bizarre underlying message that women are supposed to stand by their man or whatever nonsense, or that True Love means putting up with whatever terrible treatment your partner throws at you. It’s really sexist and off-putting, even taking into account the fact that this is a telenovela.

Also, it’s dumb because Marizza didn’t forgive Pablo for pretending to have amnesia to get into her pants, even though he didn’t cheat on her. So like, one kind of lying is okay but another one isn’t? WHATEVER.

Anyway, Marizza keeps pushing as to why Mia won’t forgive Manuel, and Mia finally has to spell out that Manuel broke her trust and lied to her. Marizza’s like, “Relatable,” because apparently she can only sympathize once she’s figured out a way to make it about her. She tells Mia that Martavio is her real dad, and her entire life is a lie. Mia derps that Marizza didn’t like Spirito anyway, so now she, Sonia, and Martavio can be a real family. Marizza’s hurt and snipes that Mia can have a real family too, with Papa C and his ugly girlfriend. Mia just sighs that everything is so hard, and Marizza’s like, “I feel that.” She offers to help Mia get revenge on Manuel. Heh. Oh, Marizza.

Meanwhile, Sonia and Martavio are having an argument. He doesn’t want to talk to Marizza, and Sonia rightly snaps that he can’t just waltz in to be all like, “Marizza, I am you father!” without actually stepping up and helping raise her. Martavio’s like, “But, but, raising children is the woman’s job.” Not in those words exactly. Sonia tells him to stop being a coward and go talk to his daughter.

Pablo gives Marizza a CD, and he’s like, “It helps me when I’m being emo, maybe it’ll help you.” Marizza doesn’t say anything, and he’s like, “Okay, awkward…bye.” Heh. They’re such teenagers. Lujan comes by and muses that maybe Pablo’s changed, which is good, because Marizza clearly still likes him. Marizza admits that maybe she does. Behind a pillar, Javier overhears all of this. So he goes back to his room, gets Marizza’s diary, and tells Marizza that he found it in Pablo’s things. THIS DOUCHE, YOU GUYS.


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14 responses to “Rebelde Way 2×081: Exit, Pursued By a Bear”

  1. margo90 Avatar
    margo90

    “He’s put her up in a hotel, because that…will make her less depressed…somehow?”

    ooh so that’s why that whole set looked completely different from their house lol. and ew at franco colucci being all “i understand you AS A MAN”

    1. Em Avatar

      Right? Stick up for your daughter MORE BETTERER, Franco!

  2. Safi Avatar
    Safi

    *but I’m mostly just relieved that she is FINALLY getting rid of her white girl dreads.
    Yes! It never grew on me. And how different does Marizza look (and act) from season 1?? Couple of years older at least, like a different person.
    The scene was really good though, powerful and touching. One of the best ones i think.
    *So he goes back to his room, gets Marizza’s diary, and tells Marizza that he found it in Pablo’s things. THIS DOUCHE, YOU GUYS.
    Omg! This guy! I don’t think even Sabrina can match up to him lol literally the worst, most annoying character in the whole series.

    The whole manuel mia plot is actually getting from bad to worse… Surely coluci should have given a couple more slaps to manuel instead of understanding “as a man”. I give up, its just wrong.

    1. Em Avatar

      Marizza really is so different in this season — I like her a lot better, they kept her edginess but didn’t make her so OTT rude to every person that she met. And Camila Bordonaba is one of the better actresses on this show; the dread-cutting scene is good, I agree.

      Javier’s so annoying! Like ngl, it kind of cracks me up at how easily Sabrina manipulates Manuel, so I can enjoy her scenes in that regard. There’s nothing entertaining about Javier though, like at all.

  3. Novemberlights Avatar
    Novemberlights

    Thank you so much for your awesome summary as always!

    So many thoughts here.

    “There’s this bizarre underlying message that women are supposed to stand by their man or whatever nonsense”

    I was really, really uncomfortable by how Marizza pestered Mia about Manuel. My Spanish is basic so I didn’t understand her exact words but from her tone she seemed almost exasperated at Mia. She also seemed to keep asking her the same question (about Manuel) over and over. Like, Mia just found out about this. She’s in tears. Quit it and be a friend.

    And she only stops because Mia explained her issue with being lied to? Yeah cause if he told the truth then Manuel’s cheating would be less of him cheating?

    And thinking about the show’s target audience it’s very unsettling to think teens watching and thinking, this behavior (generally the male/female relationship dynamics we see) is acceptable or what I deserve/women deserve.

    And wait — I thought Pablo cheated on Marizza? With Paula I believe? I’m shocked if he hasn’t. But happily surprised if this is the case.

    Poor Manuel boohoo not. I’m trying to imagine another show where a father of a teen girl tells her ex boyfriend that he understands as a man that he cheated on her. Maybe in another soap opera I suppose but, wow, it’s utterly bizarre that a father would say this, even if he felt it, especially to the actual ex. It’s your daughter!

    I don’t like Javier at all. He doesn’t have the charm of the other minor characters either.

    Marizza is so inappropriate with her mom. I know it’s in character but yikes, talking about a brothel. She can act so bratty. I feel her pain but the brattiness sometimes overtakes my compassion.

    “Marizza monologues… nobody can stop her from doing whatever the hell she wants to.”

    Oh, so it’s usual business then.

    I do like Marizza’s character overall but the way she has treated her mom in the past (even before this) has seemed too extreme sometimes and even the way she interacts with classmates at times. Of course, by no means is she the only one who does this.

    “Where does Guido find all these girls? Where? Hahahahaha
    “He’s such a catch you guys” Thank you Marcos for continuing to destroy the charm of you and Lujan’s dynamics, you oaf. Lujan, run and don’t look back.
    “Then, bizarrely, we get a shot of Pablo talking into…a camera?” Hahahaha at all this bit. It seems like a stylistic choice, along with how they framed Marizza and Mia but it is weird. Did he record himself leaving this speech? And watch it later to remind himself of Marizza since he’s been fickle with girls? Cause that’s hilarious.

    I hope it’s OK I left a long note!!

    1. Vasi Avatar
      Vasi

      Pablo really didn’t cheat on Marizza. Basically what happened (if I’m not mistaken) is that Marizza and Pablo started getting closer (but didn’t really do much or got together) and then she left for Italy I believe and after that he met Paula.
      Also, I agree with what you said about the messages the show subliminally passes but I think that we really shouldn’t look too much into it as the show is more than 15 years old and thankfully many things have changed in our society since then. But yes, in terms of social commentary this show hasn’t aged well in many cases.

      1. Em Avatar

        Yeah, you’re right about the Paula/Pablo/Marizza storyline. Still, he moved on to another girl like five minutes after Marizza left town. Slow your roll, Pablo!

        It’s definitely true that a lot of stuff in this show would not fly today, which I’m thankful for. At the same time, 15 years ago isn’t really that long (she says, trying to convince herself that she’s still cool :P). I think it’s worth discussing the kind of messages today’s twenty- and thirty-year-olds were receiving when we grew up, and just generally the kind of stuff we thought was OK even relatively recently.

    2. Em Avatar

      LOL, feel free to leave long comments! I wouldn’t be writing 2k+ summaries on these episodes if I didn’t want to discuss them 🙂

      Yeah, like Vasi said — Pablo and Marizza were getting closer, but weren’t officially dating. I still think it was a dick move, like he immediately started sleeping with Paula the second Marizza left town, but it wasn’t “cheating” like what Diego did.

      OK real talk, I sort of skimmed because I was trying to summarize, but Marizza actually says that Manuel is more upset than Mia over this (I swear), so Mia should forgive him. And then she’s like, “Yeah, he was an idiot, but why won’t you forgive him?” I don’t know why Marizza is so ride or die for Manuel, but that’s the gist of that scene. I agree that it’s unsettling to have these kinds of messages in a show aimed towards preteens and teens — like, not that kids might suddenly be like, “Cheating is fine!”, but the subliminal message that a boy’s feelings are more important than a girl’s is deeply messed up. And I mean, just on a broader level, it’s annoying that some writer somewhere thinks it’s okay to treat women like this.

      I saw some mentions that Papa C punches Manuel out for cheating on Mia, but I suppose that must come later, since it absolutely did not happen here. UGH.

      Oh, so it’s usual business then.
      Ha, pretty much! Marizza is much more likable this season, but she still has her moments D:

      Lujan, run and don’t look back.
      Lujan can do so much better! All the girls on this show can do better!

  4. Novemberlights Avatar
    Novemberlights

    Like, I’m gonna keep saying this now and forever — and I’m pretty sure I’ve already said that before — so again forgive me in advance: Particularly for the female characters I like the most (Marizza, Lujan, Mia, Vico, Feli), I’m gonna keep saying some variation of please walk away and do not look back. Or how you write sometimes, love yourself, *character’s name.* Haha

    Thank you for the clarification, Vasi! I’ve been completely wrong on this. I gotta say that raises some points for Pablo for me then. What a low bar to set. I guess I can console (?) myself that Pablo, like Manuel, has his own moments of behaving very douchely.

    I gotta read back, because I think it happened already, but for example I’m thinking of one scene when he’s pushing Marizza against the door and being very aggressive, I think also trying to lift her shirt. Marizza was crying and sounded legitimately scared. It was extremely uncomfortable to watch and I don’t feel it was taken seriously as terrible behavior from Pablo. I mean, I may be mistaken, but I don’t think Pablo got in trouble for it or there was ramification for Marizza/Pablo. Again, I may be wrong, gotta look back.

    That is true this show is around 15 years old but yeah, that’s not so long ago unfortunately. It was also extremely popular at the time. I wonder if it’s still aired today to a new audience. It’s def not the only show with problematic themes but because of its popularity, like Em, I do wonder how it influenced people who’re in their 20s and 30s now. Generally speaking I like thinking about that too — how forms of media influence kids/teens into adulthood. And clearly I love taking apart TV shows cause it’s fun.

    Also, what?? Seriously Marizza used the line that Manuel is suffering more than Mia… I just… That is so freaking messed up. So messed up. And coming from Marizza too. Thank you for detailing that whole part, Em!

    Weird that papa C suddenly decided to get upset at Manuel later? I admit I don’t like him punching a child. But I definitely was not onboard with this, well, you know, “you are a man, a poor defenseless against overtures… Man.” Blergh. There needed to be strong words/dissaproval from Papa C for sure.

    You know, as I think about it, it is curious the choice this show takes to make the main guys so douchey (Manuel, Pablo, Marco, Francisco, Guido, to name a few) in contrast with the girls who aren’t perfect but don’t seem to go to such extreme lengths as the guys. I mean this in terms of how they treat each other when they’re dating. I wonder why this is.

    “And I mean, just on a broader level, it’s annoying that some writer somewhere thinks it’s okay to treat women like this.”
    And one person is credited as the writer, Patricia Maldonado. I don’t think a writer creates in a vacuum and who knows if her vision was exactly what ended up on screen, but it can show women may be just as influenced as anyone living in a society that is sexist (I don’t mean Argentina specifically).

    Again, the one guy who seems decent and good (and is a fun character too) is Rico. The whole following Vico around excepted of course, that was not cool. His pairing with Vico is genuinely sweet.

    1. Em Avatar

      Oh, you are right about Pablo threatening Marizza! I almost forgot about that! That was DEEPLY messed up, and got blown off like it was nothing. I think the idea driving most of the stuff on this show is that as long as the boys don’t actually go through with assaulting/hitting the girls, it’s okay for them to threaten it, or imply that they will, or get very close to doing it as long as they back off at the last second. And that’s not okay at all. I think even 15 years ago, the concept of a strong, possessive, borderline abusive boyfriend was still considered romantic by the mainstream — see Twilight, probably the most notorious example of our times. It really hasn’t gone away until recently.

      Everyone on this show is acting like Manuel crying because of the consequences of his bad decisions is somehow the same as Mia being upset that her boyfriend betrayed her. And they’re acting like Mia has to disregard her emotional pain in order to assuage Manuel’s. AAAAGH.

      it can show women may be just as influenced as anyone living in a society that is sexist
      Yeah, sadly women internalize so much misogyny. It’s just…on another level sometimes.

      I hope Rocco remains pure. I don’t know if I can handle being in a permanent state of rage watching this show!

  5. Mari Ramos Avatar
    Mari Ramos

    First off gotta say I recently discovered your blog and instantly loved it! I’m was so happy to find somebody blogging about rebelde way in real time in 2018 (especially with the salty commenting which cracks me up every time lol).

    I was reading the comments on this post and Idk how many of you are familiar with telenovelas, but the guys’ on this show exhibit pretty standard telenovela behavior unfortunately. Men get away with a lot of shit because that pretty much reflects latin american machismo culture, where a guy cheating or treating their S/O badly can be remediable as long as it’s “true love” (I’ve watch so many telenovelas growing up and not once has it been the leading woman cheating). It’s bullshit, but that’s why I wasn’t surprised during this scene when Marizza sticks up for Manuel and tries to get Mia to think about forgiving him. IMO If they would have stayed true to Marizza’s character, Marizza would have kicked his ass or at least confronted Manuel, not only for cheating on Mia but for cheating with their manager’s daughter and possibly fucking it up for Erreway. I feel like the writers just wanted to get some sympathy for Manuel at this point so as to further exploit the “true love can forgive anything” bs instead of giving Manuel the ass whopping that he deserved smh. My only consolation is that Mia & Marizza become significantly closer after this and Marizza gets very protective over her when they continue to deal with Erreway drama, like at least the writers redeem themselves a little there.

    So yeah..the guys on the show are pretty shitty lol but I do gotta stick up for my man Pablo. I know the bar on this show is low and I don’t want to spoil anything for people who haven’t watched the whole series yet but his character is by far the one that experiences the most positive character development. Like he obviously has shitty moments as discussed above and I can’t get behind everything he says or does but in his defense, he’s also the character that has the worse influence. Sergio is a terrible person and he’s pretty much the only adult figure in his life. But even with all that he really does rise above towards the end of season 2…. I felt compelled to defend him because his character is one of the best written on the show imo and they actually go somewhere with his character, as opposed to just making him douchy for the sake of it lol.

    Anyway, thanks for the recap! I look forward to reading them every Tuesday!

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      I’m kind of familiar with telenovela tropes, but I don’t really watch them that much — so like, I know that this behavior is pretty common for telenovelas (and actually it’s probably toned down a bit since this is aimed at teenagers!), but I’m not really desensitized to watching it. Basically, I’m trying to walk the line between enjoying the show for what it is, but still pointing out stuff that I think is worth discussing!

      I’m glad Mia and Marizza get closer though! Their friendship gives me life.

      Yeah, Pablo’s probably the second-most decent guy on the show, and he has an actually compelling arc for the most part. I think, generally, the characters that start out “bad” (Pablo, Mia, Vico) have much better growth than the characters that we’re supposed to like right away (MANUEL).

      Thanks so much for reading!! 🙂

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    Novemberlights

    Everyone on this show is acting like Manuel crying because of the consequences of his bad decisions is somehow the same as Mia being upset that her boyfriend betrayed her.
    Gross. Really? Even the girls (meaning outside Marizza)? I see how the guys would be on Manuel’s side per this show. But the girls too? Blech.

    Seriously, Rocco is a such a source of comfort in this mess that is male characters.

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      Yupppp, it’s all “Poor Manuel, he just wants to talk to you, he’s hurting so bad.” I swear, Mia needs better friends.

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